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Michael G's avatar

What frequently gets lost or confused in these types of discussions, be it scholarly articles, Substack newsletters, or letters to the editor is the distinction between “life on earth” and human life and in the case of the former the often tossed around generic word “life” (all, some or what form?) and in the case of the latter all human life, some human life, or civilization as we have come to know and understand it (and then are we talking all civilization or only first world civilization?).

Life in some form has existed for hundreds of millions of years on Earth. It has and will continue to exist through a multitude of climate extremes and conditions. So no big deal. Continued denial is acceptable. This is also the view some well learned geologists and geophysicists have taken on the subject of climate change. I suspect a large number of those in those professions that profess this view also likely work in an industry that employs many in those professions - oil and gas exploration and petroleum engineering. I stopped reading their Substack comments and LinkedIn newsletters long ago.

As Martha correctly articulates in her Items 1 and 3 and the timescale discussion of Item 2 is the mitigation and more importantly the adaptation required. This is the human scale, human life, civilization side of the subject.

National leaders and corporate CEO’s are too vested in their myopic thinking of short term reelections, monetary gains, and daily power struggles. They will not ride to the rescue.

“Demanding others move first only ensures humanity comes last,” And that’s only if the problem is first acknowledged.

Martha’s ten road signs are serious and real. Many Historians and archaeologists who study civilization collapse are onboard with this thinking. Pay attention.

“Let’s recognize that it’s important to stare death in the face, acknowledge it, and proceed from that fork in the trail. It is not okay to pretend that the planet is not in mortal peril, it is not okay to pretend that we the people can fix it faster than fossil fuel companies and their government minions can kill us all, and it is not okay to lie to our children about what’s in the road ahead. “

Some people and some form of lesser desirable civilization will make it through.

I don’t often recommend other Substacks, mostly because the ones I read all seem to be the same ones the other commenters read. (The dangerous echo chamber syndrome.) But if you really want a dead serious, if not truly dark, view of the climate, energy, economic, and civilization collapse road ahead, take a radical detour to The Honest Sorcerer SubStack. No one knows the identity of the author, he posts as an anonymous “B”, is located in Europe (probably Germany or a nearby industrial country), and works for a multinational. B looks at the subject through the lens of resource depletion, fallacies of current and alternative forms of energy, and collapse of government, societal, and economic institutions.

Deep breath, we’re all screwed already.

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Benjamin R. Stockton's avatar

Martha, the scenario that you have just laid down is the one that came to me as I thought through the issues. Humans are riding on a boat, various factions rowing in all opposite directions of the compass, while the tidal wave is nonetheless bearing down. No question that a (not very) future generation is going to live through some rough times (I believe some humans will survive). What I think is just hilarious is that not only will people not change, if/when the climate stabilizes and starts to cool again, all the same factions will arise, but in that time they will all be worried about the impending "big freeze"! Imagine, "How can we stop this planet from cooling!?"

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